Which one is better for beginners with csharp?

(don’t want to start a feud, just need to understand)

VisualStudio is very complex it creates tons of unnecessary stuff that only confuse me. And it launches really slow (3 mins just to launch it is too damn much)

old machine or old visual studio?
I had problems with 2017 and 2018 and recently installed 2019 still performance issues.

I have i7 4770 + 16 gigs of ram, that is why I think 3 mins is too damn slow.

I agree it is simpler. I have never considered it for csharp. Only for python and other scripting javascript/html/css etc.

btw, I was also investigating how to use csc.exe to compile .cs files myself to avoid all that nonsense that VS is creating in the project.

maybe combination of VScode and csc.exe is the key

You can use whatever you like. The main point is to be able to compile your code into a functioning Rhino plug-in.

For Visual Studio we do much of the boring work for you in the form of template wizards

With other environments you’ll have to do some leg work, but once you have a plug-in project that you can compile into an RHP you’re set.

reference the correct assemblies

compile the code

make sure the DLL is renamed to RHP if it isn’t already integral part of the project settings

Don’t copy any of the RhinoCommon DLLs, nor the Eto DLLs into the directory where you collect the final plug-in files (RHP and other third-party libraries).

nathanletwory:

You can use whatever you like. The main point is to be able to compile your code into a functioning Rhino plug-in.

This is the problem. I can’t “like” anything before I learn to use it. Why do you think I resist csharp so much. Because I have only tried csharp with scripting in Unity3D (MonoDevelop), but everything was very clean. The other thing I’ve tried is VisualStudio and it is overwhelming. Too many menues and panels, settings, assemblies, properties. And then when I start one of your (McNeel) template projects there is too many stuff in there. Some green ///<summary> stuff that I can’t connect to anything in Python in my head. I have a strong associative memory. If I can find similarities I can work with many things even without enough knowledge.

I don’t mind adding assemblies and renaming dlls myself. Even if I have to I’ll use csc.exe to compile my plugin but it has to be clear what’s what. I’m looking for the proper tool that I’ll start “liking”

In the end only you can best the obstacles you feel are in your way. One would’ve thought that by now you are aware that the green blocks are comments, just like the comments in Python with # .

The language syntax and constructs don’t change with the tool, they stay the same.

Don’t the tutorials help you get to know your tools? https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/getting-started/

nathanletwory:

One would’ve thought that by now you are aware that the green blocks are comments,

not the comments the <summary> I know how to comment in plenty of languages

Also there are some regions in csharp defined with # I can’t compare that with pytnon.

Nor namespaces

nathanletwory:

Don’t the tutorials help you get to know your tools? Getting started with Visual Studio

So you’re pro-VS.

How about Mono? You’re MAC-lover

I did not say that.

I use Visual Studio Code quite a bit. And Vim.

I don’t like wasting time too much I also use Visual Studio 2017 a lot - because that is what we use to type Rhino bugs with. I mean features.

But I do every now and then switch to just typing with Visual Studio Code, because I have a builder tool I wrote in F# to do that for me in the Rhino project. I still create the initial solution and project files with VS2017. You can compile with devenv.exe without having the Visual Studio GUI popping up…

ivelin.peychev:

How about Mono

Used because we have to

ivelin.peychev:

You’re MAC-lover

I am absolutely not a Mac-lover. I use it because I have to. But I would rather have a good Linux machine.

How about this:

Why are square brackets used? This is very weird to me.

Also why is AssemblyInfo.cs a separate file?

Any code can be divided into separate files that constitute some logic units. You do the same in Python, have classes in their own files, maybe some utility modules, etc.

If you don’t want to learn C# maybe you want to try Fortran95 instead: Silverfrost Fortran FTN95: Visual Studio .NET Integration

Not really , Since I still learn I tend to keep everything in the same file at first to keep track what’s happening.

Also csharp “recommended” is like python’s from something import * also confusing. I saw VS throwing some green-underlined errors with that.

Is it possible, theoretically, that Rhino Plugin is in a single .cs file?

You know, to put everything in the namespace{} block or whatever is the term. Stack?

ivelin.peychev:

And also filled with out of date crap. 90% of the code snippets I’ve tried when searching don’t compile.

I don’t know what you use, but for the search I linked to the top 5 links all are good resources. If you use Google Search you probably live in your search bubble.

ivelin.peychev:

Is it possible, theoretically, that Rhino Plugin is in a single .cs file?

I suppose.

With anything in the world: what is possible isn’t necessarily sensible.